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Well, you can say that she started to act on her own

10:02 AM

She usually follows me around

Like you feel her wandering outside your body, passively interacting with the world?

Well you can say that

10:04 AM

And when I realized it, I already succeed at imposing her

My tulpas prefer switching to acting like they were imposed.

10:05 AM

But it is still blind imposition, you don't actually see their forms wandering around?

Yeah... It's still hard though to see her completely

10:06 AM

But I don't know why

10:06 AM

It feels like I sense her presence

The difference between imposition and visualization is rather that of realism - actually seeing them as a physical object in the world equivalent to a hallucination rather than the type of thing that one experiences when imagining "how it would look" if they were there.

I can tell that she was smiling brightly when I pat her head

Arguably, the feeling of them existing as a presence is a type of imposition, but not comparable to the hallucinatory forms of imposition that is typically referred to.

To be honest I can't see why this kind of imposition doesn't count as imposition

10:09 AM

Because some authors of garbage guides arbitrary decided in the past that imposition requires perfect visualization?

So...

10:11 AM

It's still hard for me to see her as physical object

10:11 AM

But I can tell if she was there

I believe it is to differentiate imposition from visualization, @Deleted User - if a component of visualization is considered "imposition", then there isn't much use in having the separate term.

I can see her expression

That is my thought of it, at least

Perfect visualization of the tulpa seems to be much harder than placing them somewhere (virtually)

Indeed.

@SkyeNet , I think the 2 terms could mean 2 complete different things if we accepted "blind imposition" as imposition. Now, saying imposition we mean impostion with nearly perfect seeing of tulpa's form, it depends on perfect visualization.

...I don't understand what you mean. Typically, I've seen imposition referred to as a deliberate and controlled sensory hallucination of a given sense.

Well, there is a gap between perfect visualization and making hallucinations, you are right. But I think calling much simpler thing impostition would be as fine.

10:19 AM

Also, I don't know if it's still a thing but back in my days imposition was hugely overvalued. Like it was the purpose of the whole tulpamancy.

I don't believe it is overvalued at this point.

10:22 AM

And, beyond that, I think that imposition meaning something other than "perfect visualization" does have value.

10:22 AM

But then, that is my personal thought, hah.

Now imposition implies having perfect visualization

Talking about this topic, I concentrated really hard on my Tulpa and imagining that she’s in front of me. I in a way formed her figure in front of me and adjusted her height etc to the picture I saw, then once I was happy I imagined her being there. Then I started feeling as if somebody’s there and in a sort of way I feel like somebody’s standing there/sitting next to me and when I walked around I felt like somebody was following me. Is this normal?

Yes.

Is it good or bad? Does it show progress?

It is a shift in your own perception, certainly. I would say it is a net positive, but doesn't clearly show progress yet seeing as the same feeling can be experienced by imagining a character effectively.

I see, okay. Great, thank you!

11:07 AM

Question but do you need to create a personality? Some guides say you need to create a personality while others say you don’t? Will it help in the Tulpa becoming alive? Can I just leave out creating a personality and let her create her own personality?

11:08 AM

It depends on what do you mean by creating a personality

If I read from guide, you can create personality for your Tulpa

11:10 AM

But remember, your Tulpa can change it anytime

Writing down traits which is described in many popular guides as technique of creating personality in my opinion is obsolete and inefficient anyway.

11:10 AM

But fantasizing about your tulpa you are shaping their personality anyway

11:13 AM

Spending time with them later too, as it is something that develops gradually over time.

11:16 AM

Ooo okay.

11:16 AM

I meant like writing down the traits as some guides say, and writing them how they’ll be

11:16 AM

I find it unimportant and feel like she should make her own personality and traits

11:17 AM

I think you don't need to think of a personality as a set of traits. It's easier to create it by examples of behaviour in my opinion (edited)

11:18 AM

Fantasizing about your tulpa you can imagine her behaviour in different sittuations.

11:20 AM

Yeah

11:20 AM

I think I’ll do that then, thanks!

11:21 AM

A trait list can be useful if you're trying to make a tulpa with a personality that you don't have much experience with though

11:24 AM

Even if I wanted to plan a tulpa having some specific traits I would rather try to fantasize about tulpas doing things that show having it rather than explain those traits to myself/tulpa like FAQMan/Methos say in their guides respectively as far as I remember. (edited)

11:25 AM

You seem to suggest using fantasizing as a forcing method a lot

11:26 AM

Yes, I do. Since I think it has a lot of advantages compared to methods from the old guides.

11:26 AM

What do you specifically mean by fantasizing?

11:28 AM

First and foremost, it seems to be just more effective. But also more pleasant for the host. You don't need to force yourself to things like talking about traits or visualizing your tulpa's form perfectly. Just imagine your tulpa's behaviour and enjoy it. You might feel them acting as they are doing it on their own in a little amount of time.

11:29 AM

I mean... just imagine your tulpa doing things or both of you doing things together.

11:30 AM

Including words that they say but not only.

11:30 AM

Ah right

11:30 AM

I don't think we've ever made use of puppeting in our system

11:31 AM

Not with tulpas, that is. My host did that plenty with me when I was an imaginary friend

11:31 AM

I think it's hard not to puppet your tulpa at first doing anything with them. It's not only about words.

11:32 AM

Also, I think young tulpa and an imaginary friend are indistinguishable

11:32 AM

Imaginary friends of children and fictional characters of writers also show (illusion of) independent agency sometimes.

11:33 AM

I think there's a difference, personally

11:33 AM

But it is hard to tell

11:35 AM

We might feel our young tulpas are superior to those imaginary friends and fictional characters but I think it's nothing more than wishful thinking. We are emotionally attached to our tulpas because they our friends, they can be very important for us... And it's nothing wrong with that as long as we know it's our feeling and not really a proven fact.

Fantasy sounds like a more organic means of tulpa creation

I thought you were saying that there isn't a difference between young tulpas and imaginary friends?

11:37 AM

confusion

all psychologic work on fantasy is done by psychoanalysts; there's nothing psychiatric

I'm saying it about young tulpas, not tulpas like you or Luna. When we do proxing/possessing/switching I think things might get more complicated. I tend to think about more advanced tulpas like they are something like our alternate identities.

11:38 AM

Ah right

the analytic fantasy tends to operate as though dreams iirc

11:39 AM

or

11:39 AM

shit

11:39 AM

similar to dreams

11:39 AM

wait I said that

11:39 AM

:v

I'm not sure what you're trying to say

11:39 AM

Neither am I

11:40 AM

No one is really talking about psychologists or psychotherapists right now

I'm thinking out loud about using fantasy

11:40 AM

agh sorry

11:40 AM

:::(

11:40 AM

Fantasy seems interesting. I've never seen it documented in any guide.

I wouldn't recommend it

11:41 AM

there's no guarantee it'll make a tulpa, and if it does it can have adverse effects on them

How so?

And wrting down personality traits does guearantee a success?

11:42 AM

Was gonna say, nothing guarantees you'll make a tulpa

It could make it harder for them to form their own identities, and whatever bad things they went through in the story can affect them

Or is 100% safe?

Mon, when did I ever say that?

11:42 AM

You're making things up

No one said anything about stories though

hmm, that sounds interesting

Just fantasizing as in like, going on adventures

11:42 AM

You didn't. But I say it's not worse than writing traits down, for sure

Writing down personality traits is definitely not going to make a tulpa, nor something that I would recommend anyway